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project Achilles studies the affect of MSG (monosodium glutamate, manufactured free glutamic acid) on the human body.

"In Greek mythology, when Achilles was a baby, it was foretold that he would die young. To prevent his death, his mother Thetis took Achilles to the River Styx, which was supposed to offer powers of invulnerability, and dipped his body into the water. But as Thetis held Achilles by the heel, his heel was not washed over by the water of the magical river. Achilles grew up to be a man of war who survived many great battles. But one day, a poisonous arrow shot at him was lodged in his heel, killing him shortly there after." -- Achilles heel on wikipedia


For medical or nutritional advice, do not rely on this site. Please consult a dietician or health care professional instead.

Whitehouse Petition

when I checked the link on 2017-jun-06, the whitehouse petition I made is a "white screen of death". considering the politics under POTUS45, I am not going to pursue another petition at this time.


  • michael b
  • randy h
  • family
  • ian
  • donna
  • G
  • ottis
  • sean

Project Goals

  • gather a statistically significant group with a Chinese Food Syndrome diagnosis (very difficult considering HIPAA in the U.S.).
  • lobby to improve labeling law enforcement for QSRs (Fast Food) and packaged foods (ref. hot dogs, cold cuts, frozen pizza, etc)
  • produce and distribute a field test kit which tests for the quantity of MSG (monosodium glutamate) in a wet or dry sample.
  • build, operate, and maintain an information system that tracks various processed food products regulated by the FDA. their UPC labels if available, and whether or not the item has MSG in it (determined via lab testing) and if MSG is on the label or, in the case of a QSR, clearly on their nutrition guide.
  • conduct scientific tests to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Talcum Powder and Ovarian Cancer are not linked
  • test to find out how long MSG stays in the body (cumulative?)
  • test to find out how long glutamate stays in the body (cumulative too?)
  • compare the chemistry of 'gluten', 'glutamate', and 'manufactured free glutamic acid'
  • find out the soluability of MSG.
  • partner with universities and enterprise to test samples and submit results to the information system
  • earn a healthy grant to generously fund this project for the next 20 years at minimum.

Nutrition Guides


  • 2018-JAN-20:
    • added link to "The safety evaluation of monosodium glutamate." on to 'achilles' sig on teos. researchers were not able to find a link to MSG and "chinese restaurant syndrome". they appeared to be looking for specific neurological effects. the long-term affects of MSG were not studied.
  • 2018-JAN-18:
    • white blood cell count (WBC) blood test to test strength of immune system. flobotomist to draw blood, lab to process test, md to interpret results.
    • planned call with ian to talk about what I've learned about the chemistry of MSG next week
    • does the sodium in MSG count towards daily intake ?
    • what would happen with a diet high in sodium *and* MSG?
    • has HIV been known to "come and go"?
    • what is the generally considered safe amount of free glutamic acid in the body?
    • how long does an excess of free glutamic acid hang around? for example, if I use a ramen noodles seasoning packet (which discloses MSG on the label) a half hour before my shift at the NOC, and then order in Shawarma for supper a couple of hours later, does that count towards what the gov't considers a safe amount of MSG?
  • 2018-JAN-16:
    • is genetics a factor in MSG-related symptoms?
    • HIV is a virus that attacks the T-Cells, a vital component of the immune system.
    • rhumatoid arthritis, MS - auto immune --- immune system goes wacky.
    • excitoxin - toxic to cells
    • "There are two common forms of glutamic acid, L-glutamic acid and D-glutamic acid. L-glutamic acid found in protein is referred to as 'bound' or 'protein bound' glutamic acid. In real, natural foods amino acids are rarely free. Rather, they are linked or bound in long chains to other amino acids in peptides or proteins. D-glutamic acid 'outside of protein' or 'free glutamic acid' is artificially and chemically produced outside of the body. This is what is known as monosodium glutamate or MSG." -- from Glutamic Acid - It Is Not MSG or Monosodium Glutamate
    • "In humans [glutamic acid] is a non-essential amino acid, i.e., the body is capable of producing its own glutamic acid, and is not dependent upon getting glutamic acid from ingested food. Glutamate is glutamic acid to which a mineral ion has been attached. (Researchers call this mineral ion a "salt".) -- google search for "is glutamate the same as glutamic acid"
    • HIV vacine via transfusion(!)
  • 2018-JAN-13:
    • "glutamate" is another name for "glutamic acid". glutamic acid occurs naturally in food. too much of it is toxic.
    • MSG is "glutamate" plus one "sodium" as a "stabilizer", which to me means it does not break down easily
    • some QSRs are independently owned franchises. that means that if a store changes ownership, they are free to change the brand of cold cuts they use, or change the recipe in various sauces to those which use MSG as a "flavor enhancer" and "profit intensifier".
  • 2018-JAN-08: if the MSG does not break down into "sodium" and "glutamate" (aka "glutamic acid"), then it will be possible to detect.
  • 2018-JAN-05: the previous entry makes sense if MSG breaks down when exposed to heat. given that the wikipedia article on MSG contains a list of identifiers for MSG, it must be possible to detect it.
  • 2018-JAN-03:
    • the problem is not detecting MSG, the problem is detecting the source of the "sodium" and the "glutamic acid" which occurs naturally in just about everything.
    • glutamic acid occurs naturally. to make glutamate, a stablizer is needed. in MSG, this means "sodium".
  • 2017-DEC-13:
    • fixed typo "chemically similar"
    • neu·ro·tox·in - a poison that acts on the nervous system. -- google definition
    • glutamic acid occurs in all foods. the difference is that it is not normally found in a "free" state as in MSG. maybe the immune system is not set up to handle it, so it acts as a toxin.
  • 2017-NOV-29:
    • checked, and they have removed all traces of "msg" from their nutrition guide. I also updated the link to the nutrition guide.
    • chick-fil-a still has several blank pages in their "pdf nutrition guide".
    • added 'changelog.tmpl' back to index page of site
  • 2017-NOV-14: talked to ian regarding this project and added him to 'contributors' blurb.
  • 2017-JAN-23: "Instant noodles also contain high levels of monosodium glutamate, an excitotoxin that can cause damage or death to nerve cells by over-stimulating them. Damaged nerve cells are a factor in the development of debilitating neurological conditions like Alzheimer's disease, Parkinson's disease and ALS." --
  • 2016-DEC-25:
    • is msg a neurotoxin?
    • if MSG is determined to be Evil, what is stopping food manufacturers from being sneaky and making a chemically very similar product and thus dodge the FDA?
  • 2016-DEC-21:
    • how does MSG suppress the immune system (assuming it does)? (ty KG)
    • does eliminating gluten from the diet universally eliminate MSG? (david)
    • MSG in "KFC Green Beans" (see KFC nutrition guide, filter for MSG)
    • restaurants are not required to disclose recipe info because it is a Trade Secret. this is different than grocery items which are regulated by the FDA
    • does MSG accumulate? if so, for how long before flushed?
    • is MSG soluable?
    • not many people are diagnosed w CRS. most times (imo), they are diagnosed with things like diabetes, MS, etc which are much more serious
    • glutamate occurs naturally in a few different places. MSG is manufactured. there is a difference.
    • MSG has been shown to be a neurotoxin (google msg neurotoxin)
    • maybe "MSG does not quickly break down" is the real problem here
  • 2016-DEC-19: in-depth discussion via phone regarding this project w dad including the revelation that there is an amount of MSG that the gov considers "safe"
  • 2016-DEC-18: dad contributed "first job is to find a statistically significant sample of people diagnosed with CFS" and, when I gave him a link to this page, a firm "I will get back to you... don't get your hopes up" when I proposed that MSG supresses the immune system.
  • 2016-DEC-07: "Glutamate" naturally occurs in the body which might explain why the immune system has a hard time dealing with the chemically similar "MSG"
  • 2016-SEP-12: added "randy h" to list of contributors
  • 2016-AUG-01: updated project goals
  • 2016-JUL-06: updated goals to include testing for quantity of MSG, since gov't has guidelines about how much is "safe"
  • 2016-MAR-14: updated keywords and title for this site; updated project goals; added note about 'subway' to the list of nutrition guides
  • 2016-FEB-12: started petition on and shared to fb
  • 2016-JAN-21: sent 2nd email to chemistry dept contact. fixed "health links" page section.
  • 2016-JAN-13: sent feedback using webform to POTUS asking him to have a look at this site.
  • 2015-DEC-??: email problems fixed without reason-for-outage from the provider. mentioning IPv6 seemed to help them resolve my issues, but not until several emails related to this project had bounced.
  • 2015-DEC-11: sent email to chemistry !at! furman dot edu asking about use of MS
  • 2015-DEC-12: sent email to dsnyder *at* emich. edu (chemistry dept co-op contact)
  • 2015-NOV-25: within the last 7 days I emailed the address in charge of booking use of the "mass spectrometer" at umich. the mail bounced, but I made progress in the effort.
  • University Mass Spectrometer Facilities (most links dead)
  • MSG has a CAS Registration Number of 142-47-2, a ChemSpider number of 76943, an ECN of 205-538-1. These codes can be used by lab equipment to detect monosodium glutamate (MSG). Hidden ingredients have their own codes.
  • because MSG contains sodium, it can be used as a preservative
  • Mono-sodium Glutamate (which is Manufactured Free Glutamic Acid) is a man-made ingredient used to alter our perception of taste in thousands of grocery store products. It tricks our brains into perceiving a more enhanced taste than actually exists in processed foods. More and more consumers are onto this deception and are looking to steer clear of Monosodium Glutamate and the other products that contain Manufactured Glutamic Acid. -- from food identity theft
  • Phil: "as far as I know, MSG puts the immune system on guard". Me: "ya, just like pearl harbor"
  • flavour enhancers page on wikipedia
  • some of the supposedly hidden names for monosodium glutamate (MSG) used to get a "clean label (German)" (English version by Google Translate). this list needs independent verification. list copy-pasted without explicit permission from Hidden Monosodium Glutamate
  • Don't make the mistake of thinking that it is okay to eat this stuff occasionally, because these ingredients can stick around in your body for a long time, leach nutrients from your system, and can make you really sick. As put by my pal Kristen Michaelis at, “Not only is MSG not a traditional food, not only are many people immediately sensitive to it, but it can also interrupt the hormonal and biological development of children! Lest you think this is all fanciful, it’s important to remember that a number of studies have found that the effects of MSG can occur cumulatively over time with subsequent exposure. -- food babe
  • MSG does not make you sick directly; it lowers your body's ability to fight infection and disease.
  • Monosodium Glutamate exacerbates symptoms
  • Some people are on a restricted diet where they need to count every miligram of sodium. Sodium is one of the two components (the other being glutamate) in monosodium glutamate (thanks pmc).
  • "In 1908, Japanese chemist Kikunae Ikeda isolated and patented a manufacturing process for monosodium glutamate, more commonly known to English-speakers of the 21st century as the often-maligned MSG." -- from “Umami” Was Coined by the Inventor of MSG to Describe Its Taste
  • In You Only Live Twice James Bond "claims he's trying to steal the secret to making MSG" -- James Bond Declassified: File #5 - 'You Only Live Twice' rewrites Fleming completely
  • "MSG plays a role often in secret in products on almost every shelf of the supermarket." -- If MSG is so bad for you, why doesn't everyone in Asia have a headache? (the guardian)
  • If MSG is "safe", why does it have so many hidden names (like Disodium guanylate and Disodium-Inosinate amongst many others, see MSG Lurks As A Slow Poison In Common Food Items Without Your Knowledge for more) or is left off of the ingredient list entirely in clear violation of FDA regulations?
  • Why is it so difficult to find out which QSRs use MSG? The crews don't seem to know what MSG is much less if their employer uses it. most often they open a can of pizza sauce or a package of cold cuts and are not paid enough to care what is in it. also the packages rarely list ingredients so even if they do care, they do not know for sure.
  • in very small doses, the affect MSG has on the immune system is nothing much to worry about. the problem starts when just about everything in the typical American diet contains the stuff and the effects are cumulative. it adds up quick.
  • this project is worthy of a healthy grant. there is too much anecdotal evidence.
  • morally speaking I will no longer spend money on food items that I know contain MSG. I do not want to allow anyone to be poisoned on my dime.

44 links from "achilles" sig on teos